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Permalink Reply by Alan S on July 16, 2008 at 5:50am

I consider processed breakfast cereal as poisonous:-)

Theoretically I can eat anything. But my meter tells me that the right portion size for some things is about the size and thickness of a postage stamp; bananas, Pavlova and Mud-cake are in that category.

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia

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Permalink Reply by Libby on July 16, 2008 at 6:13am

Fried chicken works fine for me. The fat balances the breading. I don't do well with oatmeal, to my great dismay. I expect processed breakfast cereal would be even worse. Juice, of any kind, acts like a glucose tolerance test for me, and there are lots of things I can only have in tiny amounts, such as grapes, so it's really not worth it, except when I'm treating a low.

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Permalink Reply by BlondeSwtP on July 16, 2008 at 6:54am

Dito on the juice unless I get the low sugar kind which is way kewl that the stores have it now :) Other than that, I don't eat pasta unless I get the high fiber kind (wheat) since it counter acts the carbs with the fiber. Plus I typically choose Angelhair pasta ...

But most things in moderation I can always have a small amount - a nibblet of course :P

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Permalink Reply by debb on July 16, 2008 at 6:57am

hey ken,
i'm of several different thoughts on the subject. if i listen to my brain, i have to stop eating. that's from the left side of course. the right side says, well you can eat but you have to eat the right foods. it won't tell me what those are because each day it differs. now my stomach says, EAT, eat anything as long as you feed me. believe me it's loud. my ex would tell me pasta. because you have to eat carbs to lose weight. well, that never worked. back to my stomach, it says that i don't need to lose weight because i will get down to a nice thin form once i get put into the lovely pine box when i'm dead and gone. little does my stomach know that i'm getting cremated. my body overall says i can never eat again. that didn't work the last time i quit eating but it doesn't care. oh yeah, i lost weight, about 60 pounds, but then i stopped losing weight. (this was when stupid husband left me for someone who wanted a boob job) [ at least he was smart enough not to pay for one]. when i started eating again i went right back to where i was before. so.....no eating loses me about 60 pounds, then nothing. eating makes me gain it all back. there should be a happy medium in there somewhere, wouldn't you think??? so for me just about all foods are bad. but i can't live on what's left. exercise is going to have to be an option for me, but i find something everyday to keep myself from doing it. it's too hot, it's too cold, i have to go somewhere with my daughter, i have company. what a procrastinator i am.
no taters, rice or breads. stick with the veggies,stay away from pizza (oh yeah that's bread) smaller portions (very key), no late night snacks. no soda or sugary drinks. like i said, no food.

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Permalink Reply by Judith on July 16, 2008 at 5:56pm

Oh debb, I empathisize. I've moved away from the problems you cite, but I'm old enough to know they are still lurking in my psyche to pounce if I am not vigilant. We should talk about the exercise part of it sometime. As a dancer who had to stop because of fibromyalgia, I've had to battle my way back to a tolerable level of activity. I might have some tips for you, but we should go back and forth a bit. Tips are useless if they aren't shaped to your own personal reality!.....Take care.....Judith in Portland

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Permalink Reply by Marie B on July 16, 2008 at 7:49am

I find fruits to be problematic. Right now my bg is 298. 2 hours ago, when I was 142, I thought I'd have plain yogurt and a peach for breakfast. I bolused for 30 carbs, 15 for the yogurt and 15 for the peach. I guess I'll change my infusion set.

I love fried chicken - especially wings and skin!

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Permalink Reply by elaine peterson on July 16, 2008 at 7:54am

It might be the !*#!!! dairy. I don't know about yogurt specifically, but milk is the devil for me. Which combined with cereal, as listed by a few of us above, is about as bad as it gets.

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Permalink Reply by Marie B on July 16, 2008 at 10:08am

I've never had a problem with lowfat dairy. ok, I just changed my set, so I should be okay for tomorrow's experiment - eat the same thing (it was a perfect peach), and see what happens. I think it was my set. I'm lucky if I can go two days on one now.

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Permalink Reply by Chuck Lin on July 16, 2008 at 8:04am

Everything is fine in moderation. We just need to be more moderate than most :)

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Permalink Reply by Jaime on July 16, 2008 at 8:07am

I think...that I love fried chicken. ... =)

I also think that if you are restricting yourself from a food for the rest of your life just because you are diabetic, you need to ease up a little. Granted, there are foods that you probably shouldn't eat on a daily basis, which are usually the foods that affect your blood sugar the most, but hey, you've got to live a little.

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Permalink Reply by Lee Ann on July 16, 2008 at 8:19am

All this black and white thinking really gets under my skin, primarily because that's what it was like when I was a kid, and that good food-bad food approach really poisoned my entire approach to eating for a long, long time. My understanding is that some (most?) type 2's do have to limit certain foods, but I think it's really not necessary to entirely eliminate any foods. There are ways to eat the things you like, and moderation and portion control are the key. If there's something that makes managing your BG more challenging and it happens to be something you can live without because you don't care for it a lot, that's one thing. If it's something you really enjoy, you should talk to a nutritionist or your doctor about how to safely incorporate it into your diet. There are already so many rules to live with when you're diabetic, I don't know why people voluntarily impose more on themselves when a little chat with your health care provider, some creative problem solving and willingness to compromise might ultimately let you safely have and do things that make you happy. I know some people are happy with the extra rules, but I think most people are happier if they have a little flexibility built into their nutrition plan. There are multiple ways to do something, and one isn't always better than the others. If you like fried chicken (or whatever else) and want to eat it, at least talk to your RD/CDE about it before you decide you can never have it again.

Examples of how I've adapted to more problematic foods:
Juice: I only drink it if my BG is low. Otherwise, I'm not missing it.
Pizza: I have 1 slice, trying to get the smallest piece of the pie, and thinner crust when given the choice. I eat a nice big salad with it to make up for not eating 2 or 3 pieces.
Most Desserts: Small portions. I try to go for high quality because if it's extra flavorful and rich, I really enjoy a few bites anyway.

Also, if you're working to incorporate smaller portions of 'special' foods, do some research on "mindful eating". It can help you get more enjoyment out of a smaller portion without sacrificing satisfaction. I said it before, but find a good RD that you like, and talk to her!

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Permalink Reply by MelissaBL on July 16, 2008 at 9:30am

I agree with you 100%, Lee Ann.

I understand eliminating it if you can't find a way to manage it in the quantity you enjoy, but with moderation, you shouldn't have to complete deny yourself.

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