There are many stories here and elsewhere of those who have "given-up", quite literally people who quit being diabetics or even acknowledging they have diabetes at all.
Teens, 20 something's, beginners and experienced folks alike.
They don't care about insulin coverage, picking random numbers out of thin air...
Eat anything and everything and do not cover for it...
People who go for days without ever taking insulin at all,
People who test not at all or very rarely despite taking injectable insulin
All kinds of examples...
It is a slow and painful process what I call dia-cide; in effect passive "suicide" by diabetes.
My question, how would you reach someone in that kind of bad head space?
If you were watching a fellow diabetic spiral into a certain "crash and burn" mode,
Your child, your partner, someone that you cared about, a young person you knew/heard of...
how would you "talk them down" so to speak...
Anyone have ideas how to do that?
I'm betting there might be a few
...and sometimes it is just "why bother", you can never get rid of this curse so what is the point of even carrying on when the only result is another day of it
you know its easy for someone to say I hope they see the light or crack jokes about it but they can't tell me they don't have days like this there's times I see where there coming from then you go to the doctor or have lab done and its all upside down again I've been on insulin for a year now and had diabetes for 12years and ever since I've went on insulin my sugar is always out of wack I give up stuff at christmas and partys but I might as well have ate it anyway I come out worst after christmas I've had to see the doctor at least once if not twice a month for a year now
There is NOTHING easy about diabetes regardless of "flavor"! It would be like calling diabetes BLISSFUL... just not happening.
Ok, as their peers, how can we breech such walls? Their parents, family, loved ones ask all the time for our help as a community with such situations.
What can we share with them to help our diabetic brothers and sisters "come back" from the "edge"? The way you express it, sounds right to me... how can we help them in a tangible way?
How do you get the attention of a teen actively hurting themselves? How can you, I, anyone divert someone whose headed for a diabetic brick wall at 10 m.p.h.
There is enough diabetic experience on this site alone to be a potent ally to those who seek it.
Thank you for taking part as well. Ok, let's explore this...
There are those among us who would panic (terrified out of their minds) if we took away their meters for even a single test, much less had a serious habit of it!
What do you suggest specifically for someone for example with a teen, playing this game? Wont test... shoots randomly... eats, drinks, smokes... ignores their parents abject (understandable) terror of the developing situation.
Those who are pretending they are not diabetics...?
As their diabetic peers, surely we have far more insight(s) in this arena than most outsiders.
Dear fellow diabetics,
I understand all this stuff. I have been type one since 1959 so a long time and have considered very terse things since the beginning. I have been bipolar since I was 8 years old in 1963 so for me suicide has been very easy since then. I knew at an early age that I had to get above all this and make my life count for something. When young there was no blood testing, only urine, so I never knew. I was always in the best health despite this. I learned about this and discovered how to care for myself through diet and insulin. Today I have no adverse effects and feel great but I do not listen to doctors because I have my crap together and to hell with them. After 54 years with type 1 there is no way I would ever trust a doctor again
I truly wish I did not understand your sentiment (e.g. no way I would ever trust a doctor again).
As a "diabetic elder", (a person with fifty plus years experience) how do you advise reaching a diabetic who tangibly no longer cares about their disease? And just to be clear, you do not use the home blood sugar devices? Fascinating...
Two diabetic friends, over the years, decided to forgo insulin or drink and eat high carb foods and they both died from kidney failure. I decided I wanted to live because I had many things I wanted to do with my life. I do test my blood at least twice a month or when sick with a cold or flu. I do not suffer from hypo-unaware because I inject pork insulin I import from Britain so I always know what my blood glucose is within one point. I tried hard to help these diabetics but no matter what I said they continued on till their deaths. A person has to want to live in a healthy way and some just give up. I am no quitter and never will be. My life has never been less because of diabetes, that is so easy next to bipolar which is hard. Most diabetics never realize how good they have it.
Thank you for your candor and honesty. I appreciate your clarification as well. Unawareness pre-existed the DNA insulins though. Your approach both fascinates and puzzles...
If a difference can be made to those who defacto seem to have quit, and we encounter them, how IYO do we do so?
I never had hypo-unaware before synthetics nor after I found out they where poisons and went back to natural insulin. Sorry to be so terse but that has been my life. I know within one point where exactly I am at any moment without testing as 100 strips lasts me a whole year. Many times I have to change the year on my tester back a year so I can finish using my strips. People who become hopeless become professional victims and people like that are hard to change. Like I said before, diabetes is easy and bipolar is hard. My primary care doctor never advises me with respect to diabetes and I tell her. My last A1c was 5.5 so she knows I have my crap together. I can always give her any number I want, that is easy. After 53 years I have it together. I do believe numbers are crap and don't mean a thing. I always advocate that people living alone should be two points higher at least. A1cs are a lie and harmful.
I had a employee that was a T2 and he refused to do anything, he ate candy bars and washed them down with Coke. He was 49 when he died from a stroke while watching TV , he was married and had a 16 year old daughter. I received a copy of his death certificate from his wife...it said he died from compilations caused by diabetes.
He was smart, happy and loved his family....
This is not diabetes but heart problems. My friend's husband was told to eat low fat, high carb by his doctor. He refused to do this, so every day my friend served him up the high fat type of food he should not eat until he asked what was going on. She said if he was going to die she wanted him to do it early enough so there was enough money for her to be a merry widow. It worked! I can't say he is the best dieter in the world, but he does pay a lot more attention to eating how he should.