Hi I have been type 1 for almost 8 years. Recently I ran into diabetics who take less than 8 units of NovoLog or Humalog a day. I currently take 26 units of Lantus and around 15 units of NovoLog on a daily basis, which seems like an extraordinary amount compared to the above mentioned people. What scares me my endo never tried to lower it much, but the last thing I want to do is have my body to over indulge in insulin. I would love to take less insulin but I am scared I will be starving all day. Plus I am just becoming a vegetarian, which is hard, carb wise, due to soy proteins having decent amount of carbs in them. Any help or opinions would be awesome.


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This is a tricky question.

There really isnt such a thing as too much insulin. The most important issue is good blood sugar control without having highs or lows. But theres a catch, if you keep eating junk and sweets and needing to take insulin with it, you can gain weight, which can lead to needing more insulin. I would highly suggest you speak with your endo about your concerns and ask for them to point you to a good dietitian that can help you transition to a fully vegetarian diet and how to avoid overly carby food sources, or use them in moderation, and adjust your insulin accordingly.

This statement is wrong! Too much insulin is just as toxic as too much sugar!!
As a Type 1, I mainly control my BS through diet, natural supplements.
And when I say diet, I mean an ANTI-inflammatory diet. Systemic inflammation is the root cause of all, or at least most diseases. Including diabetes.
And one does NOT need to be a vegetarian to control diabetes.
As long as you eat grass fed beef, organic raised poultry, free range eggs, etc.

The top three foods/spices for staying anti-inflammatory are Curcuma(Turmeric), Ginger, Hot red peppers. If a food has a negative number its inflammatory.
If a food has a positive number it is ANTI-inflammatory. And the higher your positive number is each day the better off you are. Not just for BS but your entire health.
Along with those spices, restrict your cooking oils to Avocado, Coconut oils. Do NOT use any vegetable oil!! Do not eat corn or wheat(unless its sourdough). Fermented foods are much healthier.
Its all about mixing foods/spices so each meal, each dish provides a positive number. The best web site I have come across for learning what foods are inflammatory and anti-inflammatory is: http://nutritiondata.self.com/

Type in any food and you will get a drop down box. you pick the exact food you want. Such as tomatoes...red ripe tomatoes...serving size. Then all the numbers and nutrients are automatically adjusted for that serving size.
So when creating a meal its just a matter of adding up all the positive and negative numbers of all the foods going into that dish or meal.

I stay so anti-inflammatory that I only inject 4~5 units of insulin at a time. And at least 1/2 the days in any week none at all. And on days I do, only once, usually before dinner. I generally stay between 90~115. Depending on how much walking I do around town, in any given day, my evening reading might drop into the 80s. And occasionally my morning readings might be elevated to <130 if I had something the night before I should not have eaten.

Not supportive at all theo... Recognize that we're not as cool as you and sometimes we need some positive feedback, not judgement. Just sayin...

I was not judging...I was supplying positive feed back. What I know works.
If one focuses on eating an anti-inflammatory diet you will see a drop in BS levels and thus a need to lower insulin dose. I even supplied a web site in which you can find which foods cause inflammation and which reduce inflammation. It does not get any easier than that.
If you think that is judging, you have more problems than diabetes.

Ok Theo, We're all friends here and some people are worried that they take too much insulin. I was there once but figured it out. It wasn't "toxic" but it was necessary at the time.Sounds scary when you tell someone their taking too much. Its ok to take as much insulin as you need to get a handle on yor diabetes. We're all different. OK?

Of coarse, insulin is necessary. People who function properly produce the right amount of insulin, and use it efficiently.
With us diabetics, we either become insulin resistant, usually from bad diet, as in Type 2. Or our pancreases just stop making beta cells, thus no insulin, Type 1. But I've done the research, and I found that too much insulin can be toxic.
And yes we are all different, but that does not change the facts. Eating an anti-inflammatory diet improves not just our diabetes, but our overall general health.

Theo, just wondering why South Asians eat turmeric, ginger, and hot red peppers all the time, but they have the highest diabetes rate in the world? Something doesn't make sense here.

Natalie, you are over looking the obvious...TOO MUCH RICE...
I was in Japan 2 1/2 years ago for my son's wedding. Everyday my daughter-in-law cooked RICE. And as a result my BS was running 180~200. I finally told her, please, no more rice for me.

Just like taking insulin is not the total answer, using turmeric, ginger, hot peppers can not offset eating too much rice!!
Its all about the big picture, one can not focus on just one thing.

A little history of myself...diabetes runs in my family...plus I started making bread in the'70s. I was a carpenter for 40 years..and in the early days I was always working outside...thus I was getting enough vitamin D.
As years went on I was doing more and more interior finish...so I,m sure I became vitamin D deficient.
And the FDA's recommended 400 IU/day I thought I was probably still getting enough D.
As it turns out, 400 IU is only about 1/10 of what we need/day. I now take 5,000 IU of D3 everyday, plus I now live in the tropics. It is now known that vitamin D deficiency causes all kinds of medical problems, including being a factor in causing diabetes.

What I am getting to is it was not just one thing that drove me to become a Type 1. It was a combination of eating too much inflammatory bread, becoming Vitamin D deficient, eating too much of the wrong foods, not enough of the right foods, thus making my system totally inflammatory.

Get rid of the systemic inflammation and watch your health become much improved.

So, the foods you at caused you to lose your beta cells?

Medical industry nor I really know what causes the pancreas to stop producing beta cells.
I do have a theory, but its just that. I think it might be a combination of things. For instance, it is now known that vitamin D deficiency can be a factor in diabetes. Too many carbs, too much inflammatory foods. Maybe some kind of industrial chemical I came in contact with the 4 decades I was a carpenter.
Maybe all of the above and some I have not thought of.

You need what you need. The important thing is having decent control. I know a bunch of us here have said we find that we need more insulin as we get older - I know that is true with me. Your TDD of 41 units does not seem that bad. It is only slightly more than what I use. I have gone thru periods that I have used way more than that - when my thyroid went kaput, I had to practically triple the amount of insulin I was using (I was using a little less then but ended up taking about 100 units per day). Once my thyroid settled down, I was able to cut back on what I was using.
I can use up to 80 units a day... its a case of YDMV... some people are more sensitive, some eat more carbs, and some need a boatload of insulin to even nudge their numbers down... There really is no such thing as requiring too much insulin....but you can probably lessen your insulin requirements if it really bothers you by eating things with less carbs more often... ;)




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