Had a minor procedure done under anesthesia at the hospital earlier today (nothing to do with D). I had been fasting, and therefore taking no insulin since lunch yesterday-- as I take no long acting, this is no big deal for me. I tested my fasting glucose level this morning-- 97-- perfect. The prep nurse recorded this number in my chart. Upon waking up after the procedure (4 hours after the fasting test, without any food or insulin since), the recovery nurse was telling me I needed to have a milkshake right away becasue my glucose levels were low. I was still groggy and had no idea what she was talking about. Had they tested me while I was under? How could I possibly be low? Luckily my wife, a nurse, was right there with me. No-- they had not tested me. No, I was not low.

Apparantly the hospital nurse thought that because my fasting level was 97, 4 hours prior, the first order of business upon waking was to slam a milkshake down a type 1 diabetics throat without any bolus.

I'm glad I immediately realized how ridiculous this was and of course didn't eat anything at that time-- but what if I had been a little kid or an older person who wan't thinking as fast as they used to? Pretty ridiculous.

Went home and tested at 110 before bolusing and eating. I didn't opt for the milkshake.

Does anyone else have comparable observations?

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It is always like that. I have created quick reference cards (I am an adult educator, so I apologize for the language, but you understand... ;) and provide them to docs and dentists, etc. before all procedures. It includes pump and CGM instructions. recent A1Cs, last few readings, etc. All they are worried about is you being at a low blood glucose level and suing them. If you leave at 250, no biggie for them. But if you are crashing at 40 and they let you go....

Reality..I have been a type 1 a long time. I would have never gone into a sleep induced state at 97 (which is a great reading.) You lose all control under anesthetic, and you can correct to lower it later, but if it falls it is not good. Eating something would not have caused big, long term damage and might have been a salvation if you had crashed later in the day. Which is always a possibility with the drugs used.

I am very careful with the very few surgical procedures I have had. The drugs they use can get you big time later in the day. Be flexible and understand that the hospital staff are not diabetic and it is not a top on their list of importance. PLUS, to them 97 is low..

Careful is important to every diabetic.

I agree that if I was taking any insulin 97 wouldn't be a good level to go under at... But as I hadn't taken any rapid insulin in about 20 hours, there was no reason to even consider lows...

I agree the hospital staff was crazy. I just wanted to say sometimes, even without having any IOB, lows can happen. My entire BG regulation is apparently screwed up, because I can go low several hours after having any bolus and I'm still not on basal. It seems my liver just doesn't know when to kick out the sugar at times.

A real significant low? Or something like 60? I've never had a real noteworthy low without insulin playing a role in it-- I've had numbers in the 60s after long periods of exercise with no insluin... and once I got a little carried away with the buddies and had a few too many drinks and woke up at about 60 without insulin.. but never any anything dangerously low without insulin

I saw from your profile that you are only about a year into your diagnosis Shawnmarie. Is it possible you could still be honeymooning? I don't recall ever having a honeymoon to speak of, I dont know if my poor pancreas was just fried after diagnosis, or maybe it just has something to do with them older pork/beef insulins??? Having lows without insulin might be possible if you were still honeymooning, that can throw a lot of stuff off, or perhaps your I:C ratio is a bit off? I too have never had any significant low with no active rapid acting in my system.

No doubt about it. I'm deep in the heart of a great honeymoon period, which makes things for me relatively easy compared to some.

Usually no lower than the 60's.

Before my late onset type 1 diagnosis, I had mild hypoglycemia and I recorded one reading at 39- it was an older meter so apparently that was really 49. I treated them with tuna and mayo and some bread. Those lows don't feel like my insulin induced lows though. I never felt I would pass out at all etc. Eating something always worked.

Sometimes trauma, including surgery, can spike BG, even if you are knocked out. I was really flat during an umbilical hernia repair with "suprises" (5" scar instead of arthroscopic 1/2" scar...I like scars though...) but I let things ride and had like .3U CB "on board" when they blasted off as turning my basal way down involved a presurgery spike. I had a bunch of food lined up afterwards but the anesthetic seemed to fry my taste buds so I ended up not eating that much and just chilling out. I think the important thing is to test before you listen to medical experts like your milkshake buddy!

If hospital staff are that worried about hypoglycemia then why don't they just to commit to doing a regular series of BG tests (every 15 minutes if necessary) to assuage their concern? Deliberately driving a patient into hyperglycemia just so they don't have to worry is not defensible.

Hospital staff and medical professionals owe us a reasonable standard of medical care, not one that places us in hyperglycemia for hours on end following surgery. Normal blood sugar helps us to heal, an important post surgery factor.

This would have irritated me too. Glad your wife was there to put a stop to that nonsense. I hope that the hospital staff learned something from your situation.

Many years ago, I was transported by ambulance due to injecting regular insulin at night instead of long acting insulin. When I got to the hospital the sugar emergency was over as the paramedics had started an IV dextrose drip. I was conscious when I arrived at the ER. The ER staff encouraged me to drink juice and eat some cereal and milk. The combination of the severe hypo and the ER food drove me well over 300 and it took 24 hours to get my BG under control. I learned then that I know more about diabetes than most medical professionals.

My experiences have always been very good. They have always tested me during surgery, and coming out of surgery too. I've never had a nurse have me drink a regular soda or juice or anything without testing first. There's a lot of things I don't particularly like about VA, but I do have to say we have really good hospitals and knock on wood I have never had a bad experience.

Wish I could say, no... that I'd never encountered such scathing incompetence.... among my personal favorites incidents (among others)

being told quite seriously it was the boiled GREEN BEANS which I had not eaten at lunch which caused the severe low episode, and not the excess insulin they had put directly into my saline IV line which took me out....

or decades later

Between 500-600 bghgl for several hours the "hospitalist" (moron- in charge) changed my insulin. LOWERING it, reducing it by 50% AND refused to use any short acting to correct the extreme high situation... all without saying anything to me.

Suffice to say they were not pleased when I was through with them. But they were accredited by the state, supposedly medical doctors.

I ask you know what you call a doctor/nurse who graduated at the BOTTOM of their class(es)....

DOCTOR, NURSE >: > !!!

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