I am a Type 1 diabetics of 42 years, know a bit about blood sugar ranges for myself as a diabetic for fasting and after 2 hour meal readings, but am CLUELESS as to what the ranges should be for nondiabetics (I did know last month when I was doing a stint at Walmart with a nurse, educating people on diabetes, and we were testing their BG's - but my sponge brain doesn't remember the readings, and I didn't take the info card the nurse was handing out to those that had elevated BG's when we tested them) . The reason why I'm writing to you all here is because I tested my Mum and Dad's BG's today (all in preparation for the GDA Community's New Year Non-Diabetic Test'olution 2010 from January 1-5, 2010), about 2 hours after we'd had our lunch. It was nothing too crazy, just turkey, scalloped potatoes, green beans, and then abit of dessert/coffee. I test 8.5 mmol/l (153 mg/dl) - but again, I'm on insulin, so this is not bad for what I ate (I did eat abit more of the sweets, but heck, it's the holidays, and I had to guess at the carb count for when I gave my insulin).

So, my Dad who is 79 years old read 13.4 mmol/l (241 mg/dl ) - my Mum who is 75 years old read 17.1 mmol/l (308 mg/dl). I just about had a panic attack when I saw my Dad's, and then when it came to my Mum's, I did my best to stay calm. I didn't want to scare my Mum, as she has always had good health all her life.

Note - my Dad doesn't eat sweets - and he's on a low carb diet (he's lost 10 lbs in the past 3 months - he wasn't overweight to begin with - but he had a doctors appointment where they warned him about diabetes - and my Dad then went onto what my Mum calls a "cave man" diet). My Mum eats pretty normal, is normal weight.

Anyway, as you can see, I'm worried. I told both of them they should talk to their GP's about the readings I took. My Dad doesn't seem to think too much of his reading, while my Mum on the other hands is. Because she was involved in my upraising as a diabetic, she has more of knowledge then my Dad does on blood sugar readings, etc.

Anyway, in the meantime I'm going to see if I can find anything, I've only come across at the ADA website the chart for BG ranges for adults with diabetes so far.

Thanks if anyone can help!

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Oh dear, so sorry. Did you take any later readings to see if how much they came down? Am assuming they had clean hands:)

I've tested friends & my husband after they've carbed-out on dessert. Didn't see a reading over 110-115 & they came back to normal (80's) pretty fast. Not sure if I'm remembering this right, but I think I've read that normal postprandial for non-diabetics is rarely over 120 & not for any length of time.

Dr. Bernstein mentions this in his book. I'll see if I can locate the figures.
These are CGM readings from a study with nondiabetics. They ate the same meal at the same time to sync the results. This gives you an idea what normal BGs look like. I'd be worried about your parents' BGs. Did they wash their hands before checking?

Anna, I think that Danny's suggestions are relevant, as well as the other posters., those numbers are pretty high for non-diabetics, and actually pretty high for diabetics... I had a high spike yesterday after the yummy but starch laden Christmas dinner(283) that I could have avoided had I not ignored the CGMS beeping ( Playing Wii with my nieces and nephews, listening to the games 'beeps" instead). I was able to correct and come down to normal within about 2 hours.. How long did it take for your parents to return? I know you do not want to scare them, but how about you do both pre and post prandials on them today, if you have the time? It may be worth it to compare it to see if what you saw on Christmas is a trend.....

God Bless,
Hey Brunette - I wish I lived closer - my family does not live in the same city as I do - we are 2 hours apart. If I could done the proper/more tests, I would have maybe felt more satisfied by the results, as just 1 does not signify that "thou be a diabetic", but unfortunately that couldn't be done. I did try to stress this to them calmly as I could, but to no avail. Frankly, my Dad is not interested in any further discussion on diabetes or having my Mum involved, tho' secretly she maybe able to talk to me about it if my Dad doesn't listen in on the convo when I call up next week.

I'm probably in deep #$@! now anyway with my parents, as my story has been posted in a few diabetic forums, and sadly one person posting it didn't make the story not sound like it was written by myself. It was obvious who had written it, luckily they have removed the link, but am hoping my Dad didn't see this (it was posted on Facebook - and he is an addict to Facebook - keeping on with all of us on there).
Yes Rella - LOL - I insisted on them washing their hands! Even tho' we'd not had anything sweet to eat - best to be on the safe side when it comes to BG testing via the vampire pricking machine .
Hi Danny and Anna, As a T-2 I am living proof of Dr Bernsteins findings. My fast BG was always around 105-117 fasting. This was for over 10 years. My GP said it was fine. He probably as Bernstein said, didnt want the hassle of treating me for T2. I had no idea what a A1C was or the other things that go with this condition so I assumed all was well and trusted my GP. Now this past summer all hell started.

Based on Bernstein ( I am a member of his website) he would have treated me immediately with that fasting BG 10 years ago. I know from listening to him he is not into any of this pre-diabetic stuff. If you have an elevated BG not in his fasting range he is going to treat you. Normal fasting BG for him is around 83 fasting. Bernstiein talks about meter salesman coming into his office, all of them in their 20's, all in excellent health and all having a BG of around 83BG.

I know though that Bernstein is controversial to many...... He hates pumps and says they give very poor control because of injection problems from the scarring and people using them dont watch their diet close enough resulting in poor control , his diet is very rigid, and his ranges are outside of the ADA recommendations.

One other point Anna, check out the Mayo Clinic website. I know their A1C and ranges are lower than the ADA guidelines. I agree with you though Anna they need to talk in depth with their GP. They need to keep what Beta cells they have left.

I lost my dad due to T-2 complications and likely could have gotten a few more years with him.... had he followed better control.....
Anna, Of course, follow up is the best medicine in this case perhaps, but could you tell us a little more about this "GDA Community's New Year Non-Diabetic Test'olution 2010 from January 1-5, 2010"?
Many, MANY thanks for all your replies - I love you all!!! Feeling abit emotional here, and not having a hypo, because after I'd sent my plea of help to you, I did further research, came across information on what a normal non diabetics's blood sugar range would be, and eventually found at the CDA website (Canadian Diabetes Association) a phamplet to send to my parents via email.
Let's just say, my Dad is VERY upset with me for worrying my mother (I had sent an email). He said they're fine they way they are and for me not to be concerned. I feel so helpless, but what more can I do? My Dad told me to just be "a daughter" and not to bother with the diabetic crap. That statement felt like a real kick up the ass I'll tell you.
Now I think I know what it feels like for a nurse / GP telling their patient "Mr. Kiff you may have diabetes, and further tests are required so we can just make sure all is okay". Sigh.
So sorry for the worry. Very upsetting. I'd feel the same way. I test my family--those who will let me. Really isn't much more you can do & that hurts, too. Would it be possible for you to call their doctors to let them know? Hoping that hearing it from doctors might have more impact than from a "mere" daughter.

Below is the press release from the Global Diabetic Awareness ( I am part of this group - partook in an online radio event back in November for World Diabetic Kid'z Day/Weekend 2009 (it's happening again in 2010 - I talked to alot of other PWD's / CWD's from the comfort of my own home - it was such a blast to be involved in this first of its kind event to bring diabetic awareness to the world). Mark-John Clifford who is a Type 2 diabetic and his wife Patti as well as Thomas Moore are the engine behind this group, with other volunteers like myself helping out).


Global Diabetic Awareness Community’s (GDAC) present a
“Non-Diabetic New Year Test’olution 2010”

** UPDATED report from Cornell University indicates that more than 33 percent of diabetes is undiagnosed. **

Diabetes often goes undiagnosed because many of its symptoms seem so harmless. Recent studies indicate that the early detection of diabetes symptoms and treatment can decrease the chance of developing the complications of diabetes. Often people with type 2 diabetes have no symptoms.

Starting January 1st-5th 2010, GDAC is urging you, as part of the “Non-Diabetic New Year Test’olution 2010”, to have the Blood Glucose Level (BGL) of Non-Diabetic loved one tested. After further considerations, we understand that due to Insurance limitations on the number of Test Strips allocated to many, you may choose to have your loved one tested by his/her own Doctor. The “Non-Diabetic New Year Test’olution 2010”, will be an ongoing quarterly project to track the “Non-Diabetic New Year Test’olution 2010” results throughout the Year.

Visit ‘Project Diabetes’ (http://www.projectdiabetes.com) and sign up for a free account, and enter as much data as possible, using the ‘Diary Entry Note’ field to indicate what Loved one(s) was tested.

There is also a NEW Group on “Living out Loud with Diabetes” named “Global Diabetic Awareness - Diabetics reaching out to help others “ (http://joyofdiabetes.ning.com/group/globaldiabeticawarenessdiabetic...) that you can visit to be a part of the “Non-Diabetic New Year Test’olution 2010” on the “Joy of Diabetes” Website.

For those on the go, the “Track 3” (http://www.track3dmd.com/DM_Distribution/Welcome.html) is the perfect solution to enter your data on the fly. “The Track3 is an Electronic Diabetes Planner that acts as a Carb Counter, *Insulin Dose Calculator, & Logger. Your diet, bg, insulin, meds, & exercise can all be ‘tracked’ and maintained for a more effective & easier
Diabetes Management !”

If you have a Twitter account, Tweet your efforts and who you tested using the #test2010 hashtag. You can also include in your Tweet, a Picture/Video of you and your Loved one(s) testing. You can also follow up with a more detailed story of the specifics on our Forum at the Global Diabetic Awareness Community” Hub

According to the American Diabetes Association (ADA), here are some of the warning signs to be aware of:

• Frequent urination
• Unusual thirst
• Extreme hunger
• Unusual weight loss
• Extreme fatigue and Irritability
• Frequent infections
• Blurred vision
• Cuts/bruises that are slow to heal
• Tingling/numbness in the hands/feet
• Recurring skin, gum, or bladder infections

Sources: National Diabetes Fact Sheet of the National Center for Chronic Disease Prevention and Heath Promotion; NCHS; CDC; ADA; AACE; US House of Representatives Resolution 914;http://www.diabetes.org (ADA Website)

For more information you can contact Global Diabetic Awareness at test@ctwgda.com
Anna, FYI : Igal Koiman just started a discussion of Global Diabetic Awareness too .
Glad that someone has opened up a separate discussion for it! Mark Clifford, who started up GDA, which I'm a member of since partaking in their World Kidz Day back in November on the "Internet Radio", asked me today if he could use my scribbles about my parents. I had to wipe his comment off my Facebook page, because my Dad as I mentioned is very upset with me. I do not want to lose my parents over this of course, but at the same time, do not want them to go undiagnosed with diabetes without further tests (e.g. random blood tests, etc.). I did give Mark permission to use my story, but to remove any mention of Mum/Dad - to be on the safe side. I keep on thinking that perhaps they are worried, because of travel insurance being so high for them, that if they have diabetes, it will make it unaffordable for them to travel abroad anymore. Hope not - sigh. I'll help pay whatever extra it does, if that's the case.




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