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Permalink Reply by A Thorn in my Flesh on January 8, 2013 at 10:31am

ok...so even diabetics can get it wrong...
I just went to a work associate and he had a new person working
with him. I was discussing my health management routine, and the new guy
whips out his novolog pen and says just get this. kinda like to fix my problem.
I said I have tried Humulog... man, its works way too fast. I am type1, 5'09", 163lbs and a light eater. this man was 6ft something, 240lbs with type2. He did not understand about sensitivity to insulin. He just took 15units novolog pen, I thought wow that would kill me. Many people and doctors think insulin works the same in everybody. which further pushes my diabetes into my own hands.

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Permalink Reply by stevie on January 8, 2013 at 9:12pm

I WAS TOLD BY DR IF I DONT CONTOL MY DIABETES BETTER I WILL DIEUF A HEAT ATTACK THAT WAS PRETTY ANNOYING

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Permalink Reply by Dean Phillips on January 8, 2013 at 10:13pm

Part of reason I just don't listen to them anyway. Don't need their pharmaceuticals, and they have pushed enough of them on me over the years, nor their talking down to me like I haven't figured enough of this out yet. Quite annoying folk for the most part. Have had a few decent ones over the years but a good one has been tough to hang on to for long periods.

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Permalink Reply by Dean Phillips on January 9, 2013 at 8:38pm

http://health.yahoo.net/health/type-2-diabetes/statistics

http://www.news-medical.net/health/What-is-Type-2-Diabetes.aspx

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/type-2-diabetes/DS00585

These three were found quickly and all point to what I am talking about but I keep hearing how ignorant I am. Here is another list from WebMD

Anyone can get type 2 diabetes. However, those at highest risk for the disease are those who
Are over 45
Are obese or overweight
Have had gestational diabetes
Have family members who have type 2 diabetes
Have prediabetes
Are inactive
Have low HDL cholesterol or high triglycerides levels
Have high blood pressure
Are members of certain racial or ethnic groups

So whether or not you like what I am saying, telling me I don't know what I am talking about doesn't seem to add up to what is readily out there about T2!! Can you explain that?

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Permalink Reply by acidrock23 on January 9, 2013 at 9:13pm

T2 is a genetic anomaly. I try to avoid talking about weight imbalances, perhaps because I got rather heavy as a T1, and talk about BG control T2 is an evil disease, just like T1 and the common element is to fix the BG. Most people, at least in the US, are inactive and eat lots of carbs, have various cardiac issues, HTN, etc. so I'm not sure saying "T2 are inactive" has a huge amount of validity to fix the problem, which is genetic in nature.

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Permalink Reply by Judith on January 9, 2013 at 9:27pm

Thanks, AR. I agree. Those blankety blank, pesky carbs.....

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Permalink Reply by Judith on January 9, 2013 at 9:19pm

Dean---

I don't see folks telling you that you are ignorant. Only limited in your world view of how complex we are on an individual basis.

Statistics are an important part of the puzzle, but statistics are too often grabbed up by the media and translated into lowest-common-denominator stereotypes that only end up hurting us all by limiting funding, demonizing certain people, etc. Nobody is going to vote to increase funding for "fat people who did it to themselves."

I can grab onto only 2 things on that list---my T2 Dad and age 57 at diagnosis. The rest didn't apply to me. The Shaming involved in being overweight in our society has been turned into a horrible sterotype for T2 that paralyzes people and makes it even harder for them to seek help. Shame and Humiliation are just not good teaching tools.

My very best friend has been as round as she is tall all her life. Her older brother neglected his T2 and is now on dialysis. She has a great lipid profile at 73 and is very much NOT diabetic.

Statistics may generate useful guidelines for industries that I mostly despise. They offer very little useful info for supporting and caring for our fellow diabetics.....

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Permalink Reply by Brian (bsc) on January 10, 2013 at 4:39am

As a society, we often make serious logical errors on things like T2. Here Dean listsed a number of "risks" for T2. A risk simply means an association, it does not mean a cause. Exactly how much is high blood sugar a "cause" of diabetes. Yet, there it is right there in the list list of risks. So we might ask how many of these risks are actually symptoms of diabetes?

Here is my list of possible symptoms of T2 diabetes:

Are obese or overweight
Have had gestational diabetes
Have prediabetes
Are inactive
Have low HDL cholesterol or high triglycerides levels
Have high blood pressure

Gosh, that is almost everything. And yet we have made a leap of faith, confusing the associations with causes of diabetes with the result that we come to the illogical conclusion that if you fix the symptoms, diabetes will disappear. And we even have so called medical professionals confusing a symptom for a cause and leaving total confusion in their path of destruction.

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Permalink Reply by acidrock23 on January 10, 2013 at 5:18am

"Leap of faith" is a good way to put it! Gary Taubes' books (which I probably read, at least in part, because of Brian's reviews thereof...) make the point that many people who are obese are very aware of it and, in fact, may eat less than people who aren't. It's hard to jump on everyone making uninformed comments linking diabetes and obesity but I think that it's important to do so. I have learned a lot about T2 hanging around here and I try to avoid talking about obesity too much, except for my own experience.

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Permalink Reply by Dean Phillips on January 10, 2013 at 5:32am

So all those sites are can talk about obesity linked to t2 but you are above that?? The correlations to t2 and obesity are talked about all over the place, but you won't talk about it here! So this is like the White Elephant in the room then I guess.

For me it seems you miss the point. It isn't so much about being obese. It is about the fact that most of us, whether or not we want to accept the REALITY, have a lot more control over what happens to us than we realize. The vast majority of humans can change their lifestyle. Especially if their lifestyle is causing them to be sick. Forks over Knives is a movie which highlights this nicely. But I guess here at TUD we have all the unfortunate souls who don't fit the medical description of t2. Wow, just think of the odds!! (sarc)

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Permalink Reply by acidrock23 on January 10, 2013 at 7:10am

I think everyone should be above that as it doesn't help. There are innumerable case studies of people self-reporting these issues who do what they need to do, according to medical science, but still face challenges with weight and blood sugar control.

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Permalink Reply by DiabeticRadio.com on January 10, 2013 at 1:36pm

I so agree with you Acidrock23. Not only that, leading diabetes research organizations that breath diabetes 24/7, such as The ADA, Joslin, JDRF, can and have done studies and come up with slightly different statistics, results, and even recommendations (depending on how the studies were done). There are sooo many variables it's not funny. In addition, we have to be so careful, because the wording of many of these so called "statistics" from sites other than an accredited organization that not only specialize, but dedicates themselves full-time to diabetes research; because many of them make it sound like diabetics are like gingerbread people; as though we are equally the same, and we are NOT. No type 2 person is the same, and neither are their circumstances. No type 1 is the same; no LADA, MODY, Gestational etc, etc. Each diabetic is as unique as a snowflake. Even amongst each other, we don't always give ourselves the benefit of the doubt.

Also, a link to something, doesn't necessarily denote cause.

-Yogi

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