Well many of those sites also use words like "preventable" and such, but your right, what I do know. Society has it wrong so you say!
No were in my message did I blatantly say society is wrong and I am correct,please don't get it twisted. I'm just saying, information is only as good as the day it is given. And there is a stronger likelihood that the latest diabetic findings would more likely come from the organizations mentioned. In addition, don't forget, there is that element of indirect "economic/financial motivation".
And the economic/financial motivation in telling people to take responsibility for their own health is??? We can all lose weight and eat healthier if we so choose! So odd how you make all these excuses, as though the evidence I presented you is somehow wrong or misguided, but it is the exact same information I have heard for years and years!!
Face it! The majority, and I mean vast majority, of those with t2 can improve their condition, even to the point of never needing any pharmaceutical or insulin, with diet and exercise! It is a choice to live with that version of diabetes!
Stop being such a drama queen and grow up. You are taking my comments waaay out of context. There is also the assumption that everyone who is fat, wants to be fat, which is absolutely false. Second, it is not always choice. So convenient we ignore genetics. Yes we can all do better to eat healthier, but even within that their are challenges, in terms of affordability. At times I feel like i'm punished for being overweight. The bad part is, I don't think I'm even that big, yet I pay way more money for cloths, and high quality food.
What %age of people with T2 don't need medication and control it w/ diet and exercise? I've met people here who've succeeded at that but I've also met people who describe what they eat (very little...) and exercise, sometimes 3x/ day (post-prandial...) and still struggle with weight. Like Brian said earlier, the obesity is a symptom of T2, not a "cause" of it. The cause is the genetic defect or defects that cause the problems processing food which can include weight gain and hyperglycemia and other challenges associated with our "club". I agree that exercise and diet are beneficial for everyone but I don't agree that T2 are causing their condition.
I think that another problem with the medical industry that sort of feeds the desire to avoid medication and aggressive maneuvering to help treat diabetes, particularly the T2 "flavor" is their tendency to move slowly towards evaluating the nascent stages of T2, "tolerating" the higher or even above the higher edge of "normal" BG without taking steps to attack the highly dangerous condition which could be confirmed through more aggressive labwork. "Gosh, your BG's a little high at 120, it might lead to prediabetes [ya think?]" conversations are reported here and I've known people in the same boat, folks at work when they do health screenings, etc. This slow approach leaves these conditions un and undertreated for too long.
Well said ar, thanks. We, and especially, the media, often seem to ignore the difference between 'cause' (or trigger) and 'symptom'. T2 is not curable; as you said there's a genetic component. Some people can become asymptomatic, but that doesn't mean they no longer have D.
Blame is useless, and no, not everyone can lose weight, 'cure' their D, or 'do better'.
So many great excuses for your conditions here!! We are not, as humans, designed to be so overweight as we are in this country. Hence the myriad of health issues that go along with being that large! Your assertions that there is nothing people can do about it is a load of crap!! If people went to as much a raw food diet as possible, preferably all raw, drank more water, avoided processed foods and sodas, and moved around a little more, you cannot help but shed pounds and do wonders for your health. Most clearly don't have the ability to make the hard choices to better their health. So much easier to whine about how you cannot heal!!! Well the body is also designed to heal, but you got to treat it right!!
well said ar
Dean, no one is saying that being overweight is good. No one is saying that many people don't eat well, don't take care of themselves, don't want to lose weight.
What we ARE saying is that T2 ISN'T curable. What we ARE saying is that there are people who aren't able to lose weight despite their tremendous efforts. What we ARE saying is that not everyone with T2 is overweight, doesn't eat well, doesn't exercise. Blame is a useless exercise - how about a little compassion?
i highly doubt that the majority of t2s could cure themselves with diet and exercise.
I agree, pancreas. My A1c is 4.9 currently and has been in the 5s for most of the last 5 years. My doc asked me if I still considered myself diabetic. I asked her what she had for lunch and told her that if I had eaten even that moderate-carb, healthy lunch, I would have spiked to well over 200. I eat very low-carb, especially since with fibromyagia and bad arthritis in my knees, my daily exercise is necessarily in the moderate range.
Tight control with great discipline--of course. Cure---No, never.....
Of course you doubt that!! Otherwise you might have to exercise and eat differently than you do. That would be too hard. Easier to claim you can do nothing and just take the meds your doctor perscribes. Why take responsibility when it means you have to do something!!