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Permalink Reply by Dean Phillips on January 13, 2013 at 8:48am

http://www.diabetes.ca/files/cpg2008/cpg-2008.pdf

Odd because the Medical Community of Canada says the following. Also if you cared to read and educate yourself you will see they also talk about lifestyle changes (diet and exercise) as being the chief way to prevent T2. But again, they must not know much either...

Prospective cohort studies have identified historical, physical and biochemical variables associated with the subse- quent development of type 2 diabetes.These include older age, certain ethnic backgrounds, obesity (especially abdomi- nal obesity), physical inactivity, history of gestational dia- betes mellitus, overt coronary artery disease, high fasting insulin levels and IGT (9-11).

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Permalink Reply by acidrock23 on January 13, 2013 at 9:16am

I read it and educated myself.

At the same time, not exercising isn't going to change your genes which are also felt to play a role in T2 Diabetes and associated comorbidities, including obesity (Linkto Wikipedia page identifying genes.... The egg, in this case, precedes the chicken, whether it is grilled, roasted or fried. If the genes are "in place" in a person with a predisposition to T2, exercising your butt off (c.f. Sir Steve Redgrave...) isn't going to change your genes.

It's not a contest to see who is more right, it's a community trying to work together, T1/T2/LADA/TG/etc., pleasantly and saying "suck it up" to people, many of whom are, in fact, sucking it up, is where we think that you're assertions, along with those of the brilliant rocket scientists at the Canadian Journal of Diabetes should adopt a more nuanced semantic approach to the issue and recognize that many people with T2 *DO* eat healthier and exercise but are not always cured of weight issues. Depression is another comorbidity with all kinds of diabetes and attacking people with diabetes may cause an unrealistic pressure that the medical industry is ill-equipped to manage, given their low standards for treating us.

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Permalink Reply by DiabeticRadio.com on January 13, 2013 at 9:31am

I could not have said it better AR. I'm actually starting to wonder if Dean is actually diabetic. I've never witness another diabetic come so hard on his peoples before. Did a T2 piss him off or something?

Please don't take away the joy we have of communicating about our experiences. It's bad enough we get this s**t everyday outside of the diabetic community. This s**t is no different than a idiot father calling his daughter "fatso" because in his mind, this will motivate her to loose weight; when in fact, it will most likely through her in to depression and gain more weight, or develop some kind of addiction from the daily abuse. I don't know what your thinking dean, but this is not loving your people.

I'm starting to really think that "diabetes" should be added to the list of things we should not talk about in a diverse forum; along with politics, religion, and sexual identity.

-Yogi

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Permalink Reply by Dean Phillips on January 13, 2013 at 10:11am

I only started this because you told me how wrong I was for suggested weight has anything to do with T2, and it clearly does, even if you all refuse to believe what is in front of you!

And yes, as a T1 for 29 years I am annoyed with others who claim to have t2 and act as though there is nothing they can do about it. I don't have that luxury to reverse my condition, at least not yet! Those with the choice of t2, however do, and many have reversed it already!

It is irresponsible for you people to tell others there is nothing can do to change their situation, that they are stuck with t2.

I could even get into the whole point about genes, too. Just because you have a disposition towards something doesn't mean you can't do anything about it. Not all genes get expressed and there is a body of study that even shows your thoughts can change your genes!! Again, what you believe, is what you get! Those with t2 should be taught to believe they can do something about it, because the science is there that they can, so is the proof!!

I get my truth is uncomfortable for you to accept, even when I prove it over and over again!!!

Permalink Reply by pancreaswanted on January 13, 2013 at 10:16am

im just getting my low carb popcorn out here, because this arguing is getting as good as any fb issue.

and change your genes with thoughts? i thought id heard it all....

Permalink Reply by DiabeticRadio.com on January 13, 2013 at 10:43am

Ok, Dean.... It sounds more like you are annoyed with the fact that you have to take insulin for the rest of your life? But don't take that out on T2, that's not their fault. I really think you have some anger issues that need to be worked out. Your not gonna make a lot of long lasting friendships here if you continue to bash like that. You must understand that we all have our challenges; and it is unacceptable to pass judgement on an entire group of diabetics, because you have not FULLY and emotionally come to terms with your T1.

Dean, you may not realize it or not, but because diabetes is a silent killer for T2, by the time they finally get diagnosed, many have lost half their ability to produce insulin. This is way so many T2 are injecting; and although their still NOT T1s, they live everyday with the reality that they have to do injections 4-8 times a day, just as if they were T1.

I really feel for you Dean. I really think your trying to reach out and connect, however, your abrasive energy turns people off. I say this with love and respect.

-Yogi

Permalink Reply by Natalie ._c- on January 13, 2013 at 10:31am

Just for the fun of it, I googled Normal Weight Type 2 diabetes, and all I could find was a number of articles saying that the thin ones have a higher mortality rate than the fat ones. First off, this confirms the existence of thin (even underweight) and mildly overweight T2's, and second, it doesn't seem to be an advantage. Mild weight loss will, for a time, mitigate symptoms, but the disease is still there, and extreme efforts at major weight loss may well not pay off. Bariatric surgery is too new to really know the effects 20 or 30 years down the line, and it's most likely NOT a cure, even though it is being touted as such. So I don't think that T2's ought to get too exercised about what the "health" press is spouting, nor about what you seem to be saying. Best they should do what everyone should do, which is eat and exercise to the best of their ability (which varies tremendously), and then stick their fingers in their ears and say lalalalalala.

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Permalink Reply by Zoe on January 13, 2013 at 10:44am

Not to beat a dead horse, Natalie, but I for one would not trust those stats about "thin type 2's". I'm not saying there are none but remember stats at diagnosis will include people like me who were later found out to be misdiagnosed type 1's. Not to mention the LADA's who have still not been correctly diagnosed as Type 1.

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Permalink Reply by Natalie ._c- on January 13, 2013 at 10:53am

Yeah, I know about the LADAs, but I'm pretty sure that the studies were conducted with GAD-negative people. Although the interesting inconsistency is that children don't have to present with GAD or any other antibody in order to be diagnosed with T1, but adults do.

But anyway, GAD-negative thin people diagnosed as T2 have a higher mortality rate. And the way current diagnostic standards are written, if you're antibody-negative, you're T2, regardless of your weight.

Permalink Reply by Judith on January 13, 2013 at 10:46am

Thanks Natalie----lalalalal, indeed!

Good Goddess. Mean Dean is still at it. As I said in an earlier post---I think there is an agenda here. He sure hates T2s. But as my Dad used to say, you really can't bludgeon people into believing. And a bludgeon seems to be his weapon of choice.

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Permalink Reply by Zoe on January 13, 2013 at 10:59am

If that were the case, that would make it more meaningful. But frankly, I haven't seen enough evidence that the "powers that be" know how or make the effort to correctly diagnose. If they'd done a study on "patients diagnosed by their doctors as type 2" I and others like me would have qualified and might have participated, thus skewing the results I believe children would be unlikely to have GAD as it's characteristic of LADA which occurs later in life. But, yes, children not being tested for antibodies is a mistake because Type 2 in children is more common - back to those old stereotypes - all children are type 1, all adults are type 2 - that's why I harp on the "thin" thing.

Perhaps you are just more of an optimist than me. If the study actually said "GAD negative" it would be more meaningful. I know: Cynic, cynic, cynic!

Disclaimer: I separate myself from all Dean's hateful comments. I'm having an intelligent discussion with my pal Natalie (and anyone else who is interested.) Perhaps, my College Instructor personna is coming out and I'm just splitting hairs)

Permalink Reply by jrtpup on January 11, 2013 at 2:15pm

Dean, really... enough, please!! You're entitled to your opinions, but do stop casting blame and making everyone else wrong!

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