Stop being such a drama queen and grow up. You are taking my comments waaay out of context. There is also the assumption that everyone who is fat, wants to be fat, which is absolutely false. Second, it is not always choice. So convenient we ignore genetics. Yes we can all do better to eat healthier, but even within that their are challenges, in terms of affordability. At times I feel like i'm punished for being overweight. The bad part is, I don't think I'm even that big, yet I pay way more money for cloths, and high quality food.
What %age of people with T2 don't need medication and control it w/ diet and exercise? I've met people here who've succeeded at that but I've also met people who describe what they eat (very little...) and exercise, sometimes 3x/ day (post-prandial...) and still struggle with weight. Like Brian said earlier, the obesity is a symptom of T2, not a "cause" of it. The cause is the genetic defect or defects that cause the problems processing food which can include weight gain and hyperglycemia and other challenges associated with our "club". I agree that exercise and diet are beneficial for everyone but I don't agree that T2 are causing their condition.
I think that another problem with the medical industry that sort of feeds the desire to avoid medication and aggressive maneuvering to help treat diabetes, particularly the T2 "flavor" is their tendency to move slowly towards evaluating the nascent stages of T2, "tolerating" the higher or even above the higher edge of "normal" BG without taking steps to attack the highly dangerous condition which could be confirmed through more aggressive labwork. "Gosh, your BG's a little high at 120, it might lead to prediabetes [ya think?]" conversations are reported here and I've known people in the same boat, folks at work when they do health screenings, etc. This slow approach leaves these conditions un and undertreated for too long.
Well said ar, thanks. We, and especially, the media, often seem to ignore the difference between 'cause' (or trigger) and 'symptom'. T2 is not curable; as you said there's a genetic component. Some people can become asymptomatic, but that doesn't mean they no longer have D.
Blame is useless, and no, not everyone can lose weight, 'cure' their D, or 'do better'.
So many great excuses for your conditions here!! We are not, as humans, designed to be so overweight as we are in this country. Hence the myriad of health issues that go along with being that large! Your assertions that there is nothing people can do about it is a load of crap!! If people went to as much a raw food diet as possible, preferably all raw, drank more water, avoided processed foods and sodas, and moved around a little more, you cannot help but shed pounds and do wonders for your health. Most clearly don't have the ability to make the hard choices to better their health. So much easier to whine about how you cannot heal!!! Well the body is also designed to heal, but you got to treat it right!!
well said ar
Dean, no one is saying that being overweight is good. No one is saying that many people don't eat well, don't take care of themselves, don't want to lose weight.
What we ARE saying is that T2 ISN'T curable. What we ARE saying is that there are people who aren't able to lose weight despite their tremendous efforts. What we ARE saying is that not everyone with T2 is overweight, doesn't eat well, doesn't exercise. Blame is a useless exercise - how about a little compassion?
i highly doubt that the majority of t2s could cure themselves with diet and exercise.
Of course you doubt that!! Otherwise you might have to exercise and eat differently than you do. That would be too hard. Easier to claim you can do nothing and just take the meds your doctor perscribes. Why take responsibility when it means you have to do something!!
Sorry but I do have compassion and I wouldn't keep saying these things if I didn't hope someone would get something from it! Perhaps "cure" isn't the correct word, but if getting off meds and especially not having to take insulin were possible, then why wouldn't you do it? I just spent another 10 minutes searching online. Not only are there a lot of stories to back up what I am saying, but lots of comments and testamonials of others who have gotten rid of meds and off insulin due to changing diet and exercising. So go ahead and make your excuses!! I really don't care how you choose to live your life. I just cannot stand the whining about how you can do nothing about it, how being overweight is okay. We all know it isn't!! Or at least enough know it isn't! I can see everyone here loves to be the victim of their own poor choices so nothing I can say or prove will change that!!
Confused: are you quoting Dean? Those aren't symptoms; they are risk factors. And risk doesn't have anything to do with causes.
And you can control the risk factors to the best of your ability and still get T2. Or not get T2, because you beat the odds of the risk factors.
The one that always gets me is the belly fat one. As if a person could control where their body deposits their fat. I just read an article that purported to prove that T2 WASN'T genetic, but didn't give any convincing evidence about it. I do think that if people were willing to starve themselves, and eat only small amounts of unappetizing food, they could lose weight and become quite thin, and thus remove one of the risk factors, but who are we kidding? I'm just tired of the judgmentalism.
Taubes' books talk about people who starve themselves and don't lose weight. I don't recall exactly what the science behind it is but I think that it's tied into genes. I would bet money that the obesity that's looked at as a cause is a complication of some flaw in food-processing. Sorry I'm not an avid researcher because there's probably links out there to some better proof than "I read a couple of books and have read a bunch of people's posts on message boards..." but that's what I've got. I think that the obesity is likely caused by a medical problem, rather than the food and lack of exercise, as postulated by Dean. I think BSC/ Brian posted the suggestion that this was a "symptom" and I agree with the somantics of that term. I agree with Dean that everyone should eat healthy and exercise but that includes "straight" people without diabetes.
An unhealthy body is a place where disease flourishes! You make a great excuse to not make better choices. But it is just an excuse!! A body that is fed right and treated right cannot help but become more healthy. And that will eliminate insulin resistance in the high majority of people. Not a judgment, just a fact. Be more honest to just say I am too unmotivated to do what it would take to have better health! At least you would own it, instead of acting as though you have no control over your own life and health!!