"Leap of faith" is a good way to put it! Gary Taubes' books (which I probably read, at least in part, because of Brian's reviews thereof...) make the point that many people who are obese are very aware of it and, in fact, may eat less than people who aren't. It's hard to jump on everyone making uninformed comments linking diabetes and obesity but I think that it's important to do so. I have learned a lot about T2 hanging around here and I try to avoid talking about obesity too much, except for my own experience.
So all those sites are can talk about obesity linked to t2 but you are above that?? The correlations to t2 and obesity are talked about all over the place, but you won't talk about it here! So this is like the White Elephant in the room then I guess.
For me it seems you miss the point. It isn't so much about being obese. It is about the fact that most of us, whether or not we want to accept the REALITY, have a lot more control over what happens to us than we realize. The vast majority of humans can change their lifestyle. Especially if their lifestyle is causing them to be sick. Forks over Knives is a movie which highlights this nicely. But I guess here at TUD we have all the unfortunate souls who don't fit the medical description of t2. Wow, just think of the odds!! (sarc)
I so agree with you Acidrock23. Not only that, leading diabetes research organizations that breath diabetes 24/7, such as The ADA, Joslin, JDRF, can and have done studies and come up with slightly different statistics, results, and even recommendations (depending on how the studies were done). There are sooo many variables it's not funny. In addition, we have to be so careful, because the wording of many of these so called "statistics" from sites other than an accredited organization that not only specialize, but dedicates themselves full-time to diabetes research; because many of them make it sound like diabetics are like gingerbread people; as though we are equally the same, and we are NOT. No type 2 person is the same, and neither are their circumstances. No type 1 is the same; no LADA, MODY, Gestational etc, etc. Each diabetic is as unique as a snowflake. Even amongst each other, we don't always give ourselves the benefit of the doubt.
Also, a link to something, doesn't necessarily denote cause.
Well many of those sites also use words like "preventable" and such, but your right, what I do know. Society has it wrong so you say!
No were in my message did I blatantly say society is wrong and I am correct,please don't get it twisted. I'm just saying, information is only as good as the day it is given. And there is a stronger likelihood that the latest diabetic findings would more likely come from the organizations mentioned. In addition, don't forget, there is that element of indirect "economic/financial motivation".
And the economic/financial motivation in telling people to take responsibility for their own health is??? We can all lose weight and eat healthier if we so choose! So odd how you make all these excuses, as though the evidence I presented you is somehow wrong or misguided, but it is the exact same information I have heard for years and years!!
Face it! The majority, and I mean vast majority, of those with t2 can improve their condition, even to the point of never needing any pharmaceutical or insulin, with diet and exercise! It is a choice to live with that version of diabetes!
Stop being such a drama queen and grow up. You are taking my comments waaay out of context. There is also the assumption that everyone who is fat, wants to be fat, which is absolutely false. Second, it is not always choice. So convenient we ignore genetics. Yes we can all do better to eat healthier, but even within that their are challenges, in terms of affordability. At times I feel like i'm punished for being overweight. The bad part is, I don't think I'm even that big, yet I pay way more money for cloths, and high quality food.
What %age of people with T2 don't need medication and control it w/ diet and exercise? I've met people here who've succeeded at that but I've also met people who describe what they eat (very little...) and exercise, sometimes 3x/ day (post-prandial...) and still struggle with weight. Like Brian said earlier, the obesity is a symptom of T2, not a "cause" of it. The cause is the genetic defect or defects that cause the problems processing food which can include weight gain and hyperglycemia and other challenges associated with our "club". I agree that exercise and diet are beneficial for everyone but I don't agree that T2 are causing their condition.
I think that another problem with the medical industry that sort of feeds the desire to avoid medication and aggressive maneuvering to help treat diabetes, particularly the T2 "flavor" is their tendency to move slowly towards evaluating the nascent stages of T2, "tolerating" the higher or even above the higher edge of "normal" BG without taking steps to attack the highly dangerous condition which could be confirmed through more aggressive labwork. "Gosh, your BG's a little high at 120, it might lead to prediabetes [ya think?]" conversations are reported here and I've known people in the same boat, folks at work when they do health screenings, etc. This slow approach leaves these conditions un and undertreated for too long.
Well said ar, thanks. We, and especially, the media, often seem to ignore the difference between 'cause' (or trigger) and 'symptom'. T2 is not curable; as you said there's a genetic component. Some people can become asymptomatic, but that doesn't mean they no longer have D.
Blame is useless, and no, not everyone can lose weight, 'cure' their D, or 'do better'.
So many great excuses for your conditions here!! We are not, as humans, designed to be so overweight as we are in this country. Hence the myriad of health issues that go along with being that large! Your assertions that there is nothing people can do about it is a load of crap!! If people went to as much a raw food diet as possible, preferably all raw, drank more water, avoided processed foods and sodas, and moved around a little more, you cannot help but shed pounds and do wonders for your health. Most clearly don't have the ability to make the hard choices to better their health. So much easier to whine about how you cannot heal!!! Well the body is also designed to heal, but you got to treat it right!!
well said ar