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Comment by trenia on July 31, 2012 at 2:41pm

After reading in Wikipedia about HHS/nonketotic hyperglycemia and Type2 reaction after excess urination/ or sweating in heat/ or sweating during excercise, it seems that we are getting dehydrated. we should often drink fluids at least every hour. Increase in blood glusose level results in excess or deficiency of potasse.

Comment by JaninaWalker on July 31, 2012 at 1:35pm

If someone is taking diuretics to lower blood pressure that can make such cramps worse. I have some herbal diuretics that I use if I have eaten some deli salads that do cause me to suddenly retain water because of the additives in the salad. So that is when I will experience such cramps and I know it has been from the effect of the herbal diuretics being too much, such as whether I had taken two instead of one.
put this into google...
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Comment by trenia on July 31, 2012 at 1:18pm

Hi Ralph, I sympatize. I've been on low carb diet for 2 weeks, but had cramps in my calfs before; I couldn't figure out what was the reason,salt, Mg, lack of sugar or water, however it hurts more after long walks.
It would be very helpful to know why.

Comment by David (dns) on July 31, 2012 at 9:52am

Ralph,

I have experienced this very, very, very occasionally and sporadically. Wow, how it hurts. This would make an excellent question for one of Dr. B's monthly Q&A sessions, don't you think?

David

Comment by Jo on July 31, 2012 at 8:09am

I get cramps in my lower legs & feet the next night after exercising, too. For me they stop if I remember to do heel stretches during every day, like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COVU-5JIBEs and I heard Dr. B. in his last teleconference recommend this exercise in the section where he was talking about peripheral artery disease. I do a lot of sitting and anyone who sits a lot should do this exercise, IMO.

Comment by jrtpup on July 31, 2012 at 7:08am

Oh, Ralph, I sympathize! I've not had one in a couple of weeks, but I tend to get those cramps while asleep and haven't found anything to make them stop once they start. I've also added some salt to my diet. Haven't tried adding carbs, don't know that I want to.

I used to get them a LOT before my BG was under control, especially after walking a lot during the day. I eventually associated them with high blood sugar, but that doesn't hold water now.

A physical therapist showed me where the long nerve that comes down the leg surfaces just below the outer edge of the knee cap. If you can find the right spot, pressure there actually stops the cramp most times.

They are horrific, I'd also welcome any other ideas.

Comment by Ralph on July 31, 2012 at 4:54am

Wow, just back to 20 min sprints on a bike (watching Olympics does not help take things gently!) and back to severe leg cramps the following night -last night rolling round the house for 10-20 mins yelling, trying to walk and rub my legs at the same time - so painful! Have had it before when heavy exercising so there is no doubt, in me, doing max exercise on minimal carbs (less than 20 a day at present with q low protein too) leads to severe cramps. I have tried everything - since first attacks a couple of yrs ago I always salt most things I drink (I add Elete electronlyte) and for heavy exercise start Magnesium (citrate) supplements. I read Dr Eades say it was dehydration not electrolytes so I try and drink several pints of salt water after exercise and thru the day. Seems problem worse if you kick off the covers when asleep and your legs get cold then the cramps start and will not release. I finally got rid of them by drinking a whole (1.5L) bottle of (slimline) tonic water. This worked quite fast (but I think my muscles had so spasmed that by the time I staggered to the cupboard, my muscles were going to have to give up anyway!). I don't think it is the quinine that helped (too quick). I wonder if it is the sweet taste??? Certainly someone wrote all low carbers would get rid of their cramps by adding a few spoons of sugar to their diet (but difficult if trying Dr B type control of D!). I am going to stick with salt, Mg and trying to keep my legs warm at night. I dunno if there is much else to add (this has been discussed many times on low carb fora) but thought I would post just to check with the experts here! Many thanks (PS low carb and protein plus exercise making me ketotic (as semi planned). Ketones today (after breakfast with 2 units insulin) were 3mmol. I dunno if this is relevant to cramps as the last time it was a major problem I had not got round to a ketone meter...). Regards, Ralph

Comment by JaninaWalker on July 22, 2012 at 1:50pm

I looked in both categories of single and combination pack's alphabetical listings under the manufacturer and the doctor's name but did not find it. If it is a proprietary blend that he has made since 2007, that would explain it. There were even more than 1,500 initially looked at. I even checked the disqualified list of 18 for examples that have too much of something. There are some that were not listed for other reasons not mentioned, such as refusal to provide information to make the assessment. I am still wondering why Dr Mercola's product isn't in the book. The book ONLY covers MultiVitMins and not individual supplements of other types or the book would be HUGE and impossible to compile. The book is Nutrisearch Comparative Guide to Nutritional Supplements, Professional Edition. But being 5 years since it was published is likely a major issue. This is the 4th edition, but it is the lastest.
If it works for you, why not also sneak in a 4th in an evenly spaced manner? Bvits for me, that I take by injection, make it necessary to reduce my insulin. I do frequent on and off again experiments. One fellow I helped with neuropathy who was taking a B50 capsules 3x a day evenly speced was able to reduce his insulin in half in 2009. I'm still helping him and he wants to go back on B50 as he was off for over 2 years, just taking useless MultiVitMins that had a 0.5 rating out of 5 in this book which he did agree seemed to make no difference.

Comment by Dub1045 on July 22, 2012 at 1:04pm

Thanks! They are made by Physcian's Preference in Katy, Tx. Dr. Hotze's Energy Formula. Multi-Vitamin & Mineral.
I am looking for the energy in the 8 hour window. I may be wasting some of it but the bmp I get from the 2 at one time is at the present time worth the cost.

Comment by JaninaWalker on July 22, 2012 at 12:52pm

So when you say two in the morning you mean at different times, right? The idea is to spread it out through the day as so many water soluble vitamins leave the body if not used. For Bvits it is 80% gone from the blood within 8 hours and notice that there are 3x8 in 24 hours...how convenient. The VitC and all Bvits need to be spread out and those are the majority of vitamins as there are 8 Bvits plus some related nutrients should be also taken and are likely in that MultiVitMin. Does it have a name on the bottle for me to look up for you in a book that rates 1,500 MultiVitMins as I call them (my short form).

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