Dr. Bernstein Diabetes Solution Group

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Dr. Bernstein Diabetes Solution Group

This is a group for anyone that is using Dr. Bernstein's Diabetes Solution in full or in part (using a very low carb diet of around 30g/day) to manage their diabetes.

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You need fat to absorb vitamins

Started by BadMoonT2. Last reply by BadMoonT2 Aug 15. 6 Replies

Here's an interesting blog post by Registered Dietician Lily Nichols.Quoting the post titled 5…Continue

Dr. Bernstein Treatment

Started by carlyo7. Last reply by type1VT Aug 14. 36 Replies

Hey everyone! I was so shocked and excited to find this group involving Dr. Bernstein! I was a former patient of his and went into his treatment plan 2 months after my diagnosis. I was treated very…Continue

Staying on track/motivation

Started by Havarti. Last reply by v/prediabetic Aug 9. 15 Replies

For those of you who've managed to stick with this diet long term...how do you do it? What is some tangible advice/tips to stay on track? What do you eat in a day (sample breakfast, lunch and…Continue

Low Carb Breakfast

Started by Havarti. Last reply by BadMoonT2 Aug 2. 7 Replies

Hi everyone,So I've been reading about Dr. Bernstein's methods for treating D, and am finally jumping on the bandwagon. I've been eating 2 slices of Country Naturals brand bacon every day for…Continue

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Comment by Gerri on December 17, 2010 at 12:20am

Too bad bananas are so high carb. I get a lot of sodium from cheese & meat & drink a lot of water. I'm thirsty frequently & not related to high numbers.

Sorry, not aware of burning ketones impacting or eliminating high BP other than as relating to weight loss in general being helpful to lowering BP. You probably need to up the exercise to get the ole metabolism going. Consistent exercise also lowers BP. Is your BP high frequently, or is just from one or two tests? BP is as variable as BG, even more so. A couple of tests in a doctor's office mean nothing. Many nurses don't even take BP properly. At your appt, don't talk while your pressure is being taken.

Comment by onesaint on December 16, 2010 at 11:19pm

Gerri, I presume I'm not getting much potassium but am getting roughly 16-1800mg of sodium a day. Its hard to avoid with cheese and meats. Interestingly enough, Ive become more sensitive to the salty taste.

Ill ask for a mineral workup if its not already done come monday.

I was under the impression that burning the keytones helps eliminate high BP and what not.

Comment by onesaint on December 16, 2010 at 11:12pm

Janina, you took a total of 4u for the day? Thats sans dinner, but still. I cant imagine a T1 on only 4u-6u a day. How much walking do you do? Did you eat anything beyond the 3oz of hamburger?

I used to avg about 70u+ with basal at 40-45u and the rest on meals. These days I avg 35u+ with 30u for basal and the rest on carbs/protein. I have started to reduce my basal rates as well, as I end up adding carbs when going low. Im 6' 203lbs. I think loosing 25-30lbs would help both the BP and the TDD.

 

On the BP front, everywhere that I look says LC should lower blood pressure. I dunno whats going on then.

 

Comment by Gerri on December 16, 2010 at 10:20pm

Many people on very low carb diets experience ketosis as a result of restricted carbs, but it's no indicator or requirement of control. I've never checked for ketones & have no idea how often (or ever) this happens to me. Most everyone will show low levels of ketones in the morning simply from not eating overnight. A goal for people wanting to lose weight is mild ketosis. I have to eat protein to maintain weight on low carb, so I probably never burn fat & have ketones.

Comment by Gerri on December 16, 2010 at 10:11pm

You're getting more vitamins eating more veggies. Minerals, if that's the problem, are often difficult to get from food because our soil has become mineral depleted. Magnesium deficiency isn't uncommon. Diabetics on insulin can also be lacking potassium. Minerals in supplements can be hard to assimilate. Capsules are preferrable to tablets. Different forms available--chelated, citrate, piclinoate, to name just a few. Some people feel that minerals in liquid supplement form are more easily assimilated by the body. Unless you know you've got a deficiency from tests, a balanced mineral formula is best. For example, magnesium has to be balanced to calcium, potassium to sodium, zince to copper. Taking things in isolation can cause imbalances & other problems.

Comment by FHS on December 16, 2010 at 10:02pm

What does Bernstein say about going ketogenic? Does he feel it's a necessity for good control, or is it optional?

Comment by JaninaWalker on December 16, 2010 at 7:12pm

To onesaint's last comment, yes, my experience counts as I am always monitoring and aiming to stay in light ketosis, so I know where I am at every day. 

The fact that you say you are not ketogenic means you must already be using the Ketostix or KetoDiastix, so that's how you know, unless you have had a lab result done.  BTW, ketones come and go as fast as blood sugars go up and down and it relates mostly to how much insulin is in your system whether your own or injected.

 To achieve it, today after all the walking I did yesterday, I took only 2u of insulin at around 3pm because at 11am I was at 2.6=46.8 mg/dL blood sugar level and had V8 juice so that is what had put me up to 9.1 blood sugar level by 3pm as I had not taken any insulin yet so the liver was releasing glycogen stores as well.  My blood sugar level a few minutes ago was 7.1=127.8mg/dL.  So as I have eaten about 3oz of beef which hasn't been metabolized yet, I decided to take another 2u of humalog, so that means 4u TDD.  I haven't had any long term insulin today. 

At 9:40pm I was 6.8 blood sugar level=122.4 mg/dL so that means my 4u all day was just right for a small amount of weight loss as I have small ketones, so that means I am not even burning a lot of fat, as it has been a sedentary day.

This regularly happens to me that after a day of a lot of walking I need only 4u of total insulin and for years I was averaging 15u total daily and my increase to 20u on average is the reason I have gained weight.  The only way to undo that is to increase exercise and I doubt I will do it in the winter as my preferred way to exercise is ordinary walking.

So how much insulin are you taking, onesaint?  That will be the clue as to why you are not seeing ketones.  Maybe you have been told to take too much insulin based on a doctor's experience of dealing with people with insulin resistance where even body fat contributes to insulin insensitivity. 

Comment by JaninaWalker on December 16, 2010 at 4:02pm

I'm glad you politely declined...because my GP says the body tries harder to re establish the blood pressure it needs and yours at that rate is not that far out of line.  You are making the right move to try more natural approaches so just add in almonds for their natural magnesium.

This is what I was just going to say a few minutes ago...

Yes everything Gerri says is correct, and my GP in his seminars says that the body goes into overdrive trying to re establish the amount of blood pressure it wants to achieve it's purposes...so look up antidiuretic hormone or vasopressin and in reading you will see that cramps are caused by the body putting out more of that hormone in an attempt to get back the blood pressure it wants.

My GP turns it into a joke by saying when you are having a shower, you know that you need a certain water pressure to get a good spray coming out, so the body, when it detects blood pressure going too low it compensates by putting out more vasopressin to try and raise blood pressure.

So add in almonds to your diet for a good source of magnesium that is natural and also provides good fats....6-7 almonds is 1/4 of an once and since 165 calories in an once you can see how many you can afford to eat per day.  I get the ordinary raw kind so I am not too tempted.  I avoid salted anything, but even roasted nuts are too much nicer so I avoid getting those too.  Almonds will improve LDL and walnuts help raise HDL.  Garlic oil also helps raise HDL.

 

Comment by onesaint on December 16, 2010 at 3:58pm

In regards to BP and LC, Im thinking that since Im not ketogenic the fat that Im consuming isnt getting burnt, while the protein is (and turned into glucose). So essentially, the fat is extra fat. Im working on figuring this whole aspect out.

Anyone else have an experience like this?

Comment by onesaint on December 16, 2010 at 3:47pm

Funny thing is I eat more veggies now that I ever did eating a carb rich diet. So you would think I should be getting more vitamins. Never taking a daily, have been advised to take BP meds for my 120/80 BP and politely declined. The potassium thought comes from Diabetic Solution. Berstein mentioned leg cramps and potassium. Although, he advised to just use Morton's salt substitute, but I cant find it anywhere!

 

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