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Permalink Reply by mistressbinky on November 14, 2011 at 4:38pm

here's an article about juicing . I think if you juice and don't add water 4 oz of OJ is 15 carbs, 1/4 c. grape juice is 15 carbs, ... have a friend that mixes 5 almonds, 1 tsp flaxseed, 1 tsp Brewer's yeast with fruit in juicer for protein combo. http://www.dlife.com/diabetes-food-and-fitness/what_do_i_eat/meal_p...

Permalink Reply by Relentless-a-matic on November 14, 2011 at 9:47pm

Hi K.J.
Can you tell me what vegetables you mainly use in your juicing? (I was writing 3 to 4 paragraphs and then released I didn't know enough about what your and your family ).

Permalink Reply by Kj on November 15, 2011 at 7:51am

Mainly we juice carrots, cabbage, celery, and apples (for taste). Although I am very interested in juicing more green veggies.

Permalink Reply by Kristy on November 15, 2011 at 12:44pm

I have similar concerns with my husband, and we mainly stick to one recipe with some variations -

Couple of handfuls of kale, spinach, etc...
1-2 Cucumbers
4 stalks Celery
Juice from 1 lemon or lime
1 T Ginger root

This works great for us, the lemon/lime makes it sweet and flavorful enough. Even if you added an apple, I think it would only add 15 g of carbs or so, although it would still raise BS fast so I would balance it out with some kind of protein or fiber - the same recipe would be wonderful as a smoothie with an apple, half an avocado and 2 cups water added, as well as some hemp seed or ground flax seed and greens or protein powder. This way you're getting all the fiber too so the carbs from the apple are slowly absorbed.

Hope this helps!

Permalink Reply by Kj on November 15, 2011 at 12:51pm

Thank you every little bit helps. Do you have a calculation for counting carbs when juicing? Do I just take the carbs and not subtract the fiber to bolus? I am one of those cooks who doesn't ever follow a recipe exactly and often change it up a bit. If you were going to give your husband the juice you mentioned above . . how do you figure the carbs?

Permalink Reply by Relentless-a-matic on November 15, 2011 at 12:52pm

Hi. Oh, how to insert our experiences into something that might be constructive for your family
Your son was diagnosed a bit of a month before diabetes was started Here. (So we are real close in time). My partner when not by the hospital bedside was watching videos about the subject, as we had been in a health & garden club (we had lots of bad habits but where dabbling in it), and knew a nurse who was a nutritionist and a vegan. I never toke the juicing route because we did not have a juicer. But we made nut burger w/o the dehydrator with a old school blender. Everything here is low Glycemic vegtables, and when the numbers are good the low glycemic fruits ( meaning berries, and grapefruit - tomatoes are technically a fruit, but we always considered them vegetable, and they are always in what is eaten.
But as adults, we might be able to be a little strict than a parent with a child's appetite can be. Its an obesity issue, so we got to drop the weight as we are LADA (its insulin dependent like type 1 with the beta cells hurt, if not all out destroyed but it also has insulin resistance of Type 2), which .Which it has , lots of weight is coming off safely. With a stomach full of vegitables, its hard to fill it with or put lots of calories or carbohydrates, I suppose. We avoid all oil and processed foods.
We got some advice on a man who juiced and has gone years beyond his prostate cancer, but at the time he was pushing carrots, which for Diabetes is a big no no as they are high Glycemic index. They are forbidden here. We never used them, but he suggest grapefruit - which we are starting to ramp up in the diet. Months later, the same man had been with people on his health retreat that had serious kidney complications, he mentioned that carrots where a no-no, but they used lots of grapefruit. Well we have had kidney complications that we think developed before the diagnosis of Diabetes, so we listen but we didn't jump into juicing carrots because diabetes was different.
I have seen the apples listed in Rainbow Green Live Food Cuisine's Juicing, but we don't eat apples cause the GI is too high. On your page, I saw someone saying Orange Juice, which would make me very wary as its so high GI.
They are strict, and basically into cucumber and celery with other things added. I don't know if your son will use Kale, but its one of the most nutrient dense foods, and is eaten in small amounts daily here. Dr Joel Fuhrman has a list on the most nutrient dense foods and is quoted by lots of authors.. We watch alot of videos - Fat, sick, and Nearly dead; Chowdown; Eating; Processed People; and the latest Forks over knives. On hulu - fat, sick and nearly dead is free, but its really about juicing for weight control and his autoimmune disease, chowdown is also on Hulu.com for free but its mainly about heart disease. I appologize if any of these don't fit your family's situation, but I want to err on the side of too much info vs too little. As far as weighing carbs like Dr Bernstein, we really haven't did that. But I respect type 2's like Jenny Rahl, Bloodsugar101.com and author who state the point of a diabetes diet is to bring your very high post-meal blood sugars down into the normal range vs a weight loss diet. We happen to need both and find Raw foods a desirable direction.

Permalink Reply by Kj on November 15, 2011 at 1:06pm

Fascinating. Thank you for sharing, I know no two situations are alike but I can learn from each one of them. :) I carb count everything, I am way to much of a newbie to rely on my anything else but hard numbers when bolusing my son. This has given us immense control. We were almost vegan when my son was diagnosed and made the switch to entirely vegan immediately. I am having a hard time swallowing the fact that "juicing" is so off limits to diabetics especially knowing how many health benefits it has. :( Wish someone would write a book on juicing and diabetes or if I could just talk to Charlotte Gerson!

Permalink Reply by richard fischer on April 16, 2012 at 9:02pm

1 1/4 mangos
1/2 orange
1 3/4 apples
1/2 banana
a hint of lemon

this makes two servings.
36 grams of carbs per serving
150 carbs per serving
340 mg patassium per serving
fibers 0%
30 grams of carbs from sugar
fat 0 grams
protien 1 gram
7.6 ounces per serving.
Taking the orange juice out would lower sugar alot not sure what to sub it with.
All this came of a bottle called Naked all natural fruit. A vegan drink.

Permalink Reply by Jacki on July 28, 2012 at 7:46pm

Green juices are like giving yourself a blood transfusion, how good is that!!! I am a big fan of Victoria Boutenkos Green smoothie revolution. It is really easy to do. Just add green leafy vegetables to your smoothies or in your juicer. If you can stand the taste of wheatgrass I'd recommend it, as well as straight green juice without the sweeteners. Dave the raw food trucker reversed his diabetes on straight green juice.

Permalink Reply by Kj on July 29, 2012 at 9:31am

Thanks Jacki,

I know how healthy veggie juices are just not sure how to bolus for them. It is so frustrating. My son takes Barley grass and doesn't mind the taste of it. And, I actually subscribe to the Boutenkos emails and just need to spend more time looking into it, thanks for the little push. I just am so scared of overburdening his system. I just wish someone would come up with a "juicing" book that has all of the nutrition information in it. If their is one out thier, I have yet to find it.

Kj