Comment by Gerri on October 21, 2010 at 11:22pm

To me, this is another variation of blaming people for their diseases. I don't subscribe to the view that our minds cause or cure disease. Do babies & young children "cause" their diabetes?

Our mindset greatly influences how we manage & handle diabetes, but isn't a causative factor.

Comment by badrirag on October 21, 2010 at 11:37pm

Gerri,

Thanks for your comment. I should have been specific. My reference here was to Type II Diabetes also known as Adult Onset Diabetes. My apologies for the generalized reference.

I am unable to follow your opening comment about "blaming people for their diseases" in the context of mind. Would you like to elaborate?

Your concluding note that "our mindset isn't a causative factor for Diabetes" suggests that you have perhaps done some extensive research on the role of mind in diabetes. would like to hear from you on the same.

Cheers

Comment by Gerri on October 21, 2010 at 11:53pm

T2's are blamed constantly for their disease (weight, food choices, physical inactivity) when this has little basis in fact. T2 is a complex metabolic disease. Regarding my comment "this is another variation of blaming people for their diseases," if a person's mind is responsible for disease, than it's their fault--blame. The underlying assumption, of course, is that if mind caused the diease, the mind can cure the diease. Nonsense.

I haven't done any research on the mind's causative role in diabetes. I don't believe there's a connection.

Comment by badrirag on October 22, 2010 at 12:00am

Gerri,

Thanks for responding so categorically. You are absolutely right that "if mind caused the diease, the mind can cure the disease" and it is not nonsense. It has been proven many times over and hence the relevance of therapies like hypnotherapy. You may be right in not believing about the body-mind connection but it exists. There is extensive research material available on the net and I would suggest that you take a look.

And this is not a blame game but an exercise where we take responsibility for our life. By taking a stance that T2 is a complex metabolic disease, we are distancing ourselves and that is not a very healthy approach to our body's condition.

Comment by Gerri on October 22, 2010 at 12:11am

Hypnotherapy has its uses & it also has its limitations. I didn't state that there isn't a body-mind connection. I don't believe the mind causes T2. You're somewhat twisting the intention of what I said "if mind caused the diease, the mind can cure the disease" I said that's an underlying assumption. Assumptions aren't facts.

Comment by Tim on October 22, 2010 at 4:02am

I'm sure that these are the same people who believe that if I haven't cured myself of diabetes after taking insulin shots for 30 years since I was a kid, then "I must be doing it wrong".

:-)

They're not trying to be mean, they just don't get it.

Comment by badrirag on October 22, 2010 at 5:42am

Tim, I do not really get your remark and i presume you are referring to Type 1 Diabetes. But let it be said as loud as possible that we are expected to take insulin or oral medication NOT to cure ourselves of T2 Diabetes but only to keep it under control. In fact, Allopathy maintains very categorically that Diabetes is not Curable and that line is toed very sincerely by many diabetics.

Anyway, the subject matter is not whether D is curable but whether it is mind-related.

Comment by Tim on October 22, 2010 at 6:25am

I agree that diabetes has mind-related (psychological) aspects. Google "diabetes" with "depression" etc.

But those are not causes of diabetes.

Many of these psychological aspects are not necessarily biochemical or anything, but a result of family, society, employment, etc. pressures.

One of those psychological aspects (e.g. "why aren't you cured yet? You aren't trying hard enough then!") is very
prevalent in my head sometimes.

I know you're asking for one specific thing (maybe one of "Can my mind cause diabetes?" or "Can my mind cure diabetes?") but I'm making it broader. I'm not trying to hijack the thread, but I probably am.

Comment by Tim on October 22, 2010 at 6:28am

But overall, do people that don't have diabetes really grok (that is, understand at a deep level instead of a superficial level) diabetes? Of course not. They see someone with a chronic uncurable disease, and they apply some level of wishful thinking or blame theory or whatever they do, to explain the ugliness away to fit it into their limited mindset, that does not allow for chronic uncurable diseases.

In this respect, there is a problem, and it's in THEIR MIND, because they just don't get it. We have to learn to live with that.

Things have changed in some ways from the stigmas that existed 30 or 40 or 50 years ago, where diabetes simply wasn't discussed openly, it was kind of a gossip subject. So things are a little better. But no, they still don't "get it".

Comment by Scott on October 22, 2010 at 10:41am

are you talking about causes of diabetes itself or causes of complications?

If the later, your mindset can definitely affect how well you control your diabetes and thus contribute to complications.

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